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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 10:08 am Post subject:
I haven't read anything that's stated something besides dual-layer support.
And yes, further down the track, BD-ROM will be of far greater use to us than it is now. I'm still a bit baffled as to why Sony opted to go with it - perhaps the developers have something up their sleeve? Who knows... Only time will tell.
Edit: Anybody who thought the demos played over at E3 will think that the console's playback is absolutely magnificent. At E3, they didn't even turn the console on! Instead, the demos were being played back by two Apple G5s, which sport a Radeon x800 XT, which (in comparison to the 360's GPU) is substantially worse.
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Because the G5 systems can only use a GeForce 6800 Ultra or an ATI Radeon X800 XT, developers had to significantly reduce the image quality of their demos - which explains their lack luster appearance. Anti-aliasing wasn't enabled on any of the demos, while the final Xbox 360 console will have 4X AA enabled on all titles.
Blu-Ray seems an obvious choice. They want HD video playback out of the box, which the 360 isn't offering, and using HD-DVD (their competitors medium) would just be stupid. This way, it's cheaper for Sony to use their own formats, and considering the audience base for the Playstation it will also hugely help to push their new format.
A single-layer disc can fit 23.3GB, 25GB or 27GB.
A dual-layer disc can fit 46.6GB, 50GB or 54GB.
To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.
And an interview with a MS spokesman stated that those were "XBOX 360 Alpha Units", approximately one third as powerful as the final product. Basically, E3 has shown off the console's appearance, specifications, and line-ups. In terms of the quality of running games, it was fairly useless.
Disadvantage in the end: apparently the PS3 is going to be the most expensive home console ever released. Won't stop me though.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: BLUE RAY
BLUE RAY IS DEVELOPED FOR MORE THAN DUAL LAYERS. AT THIS TIME 100GB IS POSS. EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN FUTURE WITH MEDIA DEV.
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 PORTABLE Modded: XENIUM
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: BLUE RAY
SUPERMAN08012 wrote:
BLUE RAY IS DEVELOPED FOR MORE THAN DUAL LAYERS. AT THIS TIME 100GB IS POSS. EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN FUTURE WITH MEDIA DEV.
THANK YOU.
TheModGod Xbox-Hq Legendary Xbox Version: 1.6 PORTABLE Modded: XENIUM
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
I haven't read all the threads, but while I was laid up my wife recorded E3 live for me and I watched a in game clip of Killzone 2 and was very impressed. I saw nothing in the 360's launch titles that came close to this gameplay and graphics.
Xbox 360 is showing Dead or Alive 4...which in my opinion, looks like a Xbox first gen game. Albeit Project Gotham looks keen, it still doesn't show me what this monster is supposed to be capable of.
Is SONY blowin smoke up our ass and actually showing cut scenes and claiming them to be actual gameplay and maybe MS is finally being realistic and showing what they are able to do thus far? I don't know, but I do know that if I had to compare what I have seen for the PS3 versus what I have seen for Xbox 360 I would be putting my money on the PS3. And, this is coming from an anti SONY person too.
I have never owned a PS2, I am a huge proponent for Xbox Gaming Consoles....but MS better get on the ball and start producing some eye popping, jaw dropping, pants shitting games to win my trust. The only game that came close to Kill Zone2 isn't even going to be a launch title and isn't slated to release until some time in 2006.
Oh what a tangled web we weave in the world of next gen game consoles!! I for one am going to actually buy both. On the way home from the hospital today I had to stop and buy some Xboxs so I stopped at GameStop and they are taking reservations for the 360.... I think that is a laugh. Taking reservations and they cant tell me how much money it is, if it will be backwards compatible, or if it will have a hard drive.
Thats like putting money down on a car that you aren't sure if it has reverse. It just makes no sense.
They buzz that I am hearing from industry people is only certain first gen games will be playable on the Xbox....of course Halo 1 and 2 are on that list. I haven't had a chance to read all the rumors and all so I may be repeating what has already been said.
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JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 PORTABLE Modded: XENIUM
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject:
ModGod: Like people have been saying before, neither the PS3 nor the Xbox 360 have been running the games themselves yet. Sony are running pre-rendered footage that they claim the PS3 can do, and MS have been using 360 alpha units to show games that are a bit beyond the hardware.
From the specifications both consoles are looking pretty similar, so I suppose it's going to be down to the developers to make a difference with how good the software looks on each.
Oh, and I read somewhere that MS are insisting that eventually all Xbox games will be playable, but they're prioritising the more popular games.
TheModGod Xbox-Hq Legendary Xbox Version: 1.6 PORTABLE Modded: XENIUM
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:
I thought on the MTV special they were showing actual footage of gameplay when the group of gamers were playing a multi-player game. Not sure, will have to rewatch it.
Never-the-less.... there's a lot of uncertainty still with both consoles. I guess it's going to be a wait and see type of thing. _________________ Good Deals: Death@Hand, funkydopenloven, StaticMind, Slamscaper, PorscheXboxter
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rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 PORTABLE Modded: XENIUM
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:38 am Post subject:
There's a simple explaination to your disappointment in the performance of xBox. During E3, the console was never even turned on, instead they had dual g5s running the games for them. As for that Killzone 2 demo, it's all pre-rendered - proven.
Eventually you'll see what the two consoles are really capable of, but at the moment nobody can be sure.
I don't know where the "alpha" units idea came in, but they were all running Apple G5s with substantially worse graphics card without AA. The price of PS3 might be what loses them the marketting game, I guess only time will tell. _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:50 am Post subject:
so for all of us who dont speak computer geek witch one is better ?
rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: aladdin xt (damn)
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:53 am Post subject:
You barely speak English, let alone some derivitive of it that apparently is called "geek".
You cannot decide which is better at the moment, but I will tell you now, PS3 has got some excellent hardware. But, the problem with this, is it comes with a not-so-excellent price, and not all of that hardware will be utilized.
Think of it as xBox vs PS2... there are no notable differences in terms of performance. It's just an opinion, and choice of what you'd like to do with your console. _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
so where did you get this idea they were on on Apples? i read that those were being shown on non-full capacity running "alpha" developer kits. and where did you get the idea that the problem with the PS3 is gonna be its price? there's been no confirmations on price to my knowledge and as with every other generation of system releases, i'd imagine they will be at or damn close to identical in price. if theres a large markup on the PS3 over the Xbox360 merely because of its Bluray drive, theres no way in hell i would pay extra for it. and that guy didn't claim to be able to speak in geek or claim to be an english major. get off his back for one spelling error. he merely asked a question, not for your critique of his writing
edit: and for your quote, doesn't it usually read 3 people, not 10?
rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: aladdin xt (damn)
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:22 am Post subject:
I wasn't on "his back", I merely stated that it's unfair for someone to be calling us speaking "geek" in a derogatory sense purely because we're using jargon. The English part of my post was actually a joke, perhaps you should get off my back and lighten up a little. Oh and I never claimed to speak geek either, but he somewhat accused me of it anyway. Your logic works both ways.
Speculation (I'll admit, that's all it is) is floating around that the xBox 360's RRP will be about 300 USD (between 250-350) whereas a Sony official has said it will be less than 40,000 yen (don't quote me on that stat, but I do know it ended up being 465 USD). I know he said "less", but clearly that's what nearly all ads say anyway. All this for less than 22000 dollars, yeah great, it's 21995. (If you catch my drift.)
Edit: Left out your question about my sig, I don't quite understand what you mean?
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10 in binary means 2. If that was what you were after? _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: aladdin xt (damn)
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:
rav3n2k wrote:
I wasn't on "his back", I merely stated that it's unfair for someone to be calling us speaking "geek" in a derogatory sense purely because we're using jargon. The English part of my post was actually a joke, perhaps you should get off my back and lighten up a little. Oh and I never claimed to speak geek either, but he somewhat accused me of it anyway. Your logic works both ways.
Speculation (I'll admit, that's all it is) is floating around that the xBox 360's RRP will be about 300 USD (between 250-350) whereas a Sony official has said it will be less than 40,000 yen (don't quote me on that stat, but I do know it ended up being 465 USD). I know he said "less", but clearly that's what nearly all ads say anyway. All this for less than 22000 dollars, yeah great, it's 21995. (If you catch my drift.)
Edit: Left out your question about my sig, I don't quite understand what you mean?
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10 in binary means 2. If that was what you were after?
Reading that article you see that that article itself is speculation, because they look like G5s, no information other than that is taken into account. However, floating around the internet, IGN and a number of other places, where they've actually spoken to MS representatives and third party developers claim that they were Xbox 360 Dev kits, approximately one third as powerful.
Whether the two ["Alpha dev units" and G5s] are one and the same could be a real possibility, but that is yet to be seen.
And yeah, the 360 price is fully speculative, but the quoted price from a Sony spokesperson was as rav put it, making it the most expensive home console as far as I've heard of.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:
you basically called him stupid which made me angry, this ain't X-S and we don't need flamers. thanks for the article.
i would consider someone that understands the given spces of the 360 and the PS3 to be fluent in geekese. and i think thats what his question was refereing to, not saying that what you've said thus far makes you a geek. he just wanted someoen that understood the specs to give their opinion
TheModGod Xbox-Hq Legendary Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: aladdin xt (damn)
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject:
SONY is claiming that the KillZone 2 was not prerendered, but actualy game play. Of course, you may have another source that has proven that it was not..but according to the last show I watched of E3 live on G4 SONY was claiming it to be actual in-game play. Please keep in mind, I don't have much time for TV so if they were able to prove it wrong after the show I watched, I missed it. I would like to know how it was proven it is not game play. I'd be interested in reading the article.
Also, the hosts of the show are all skeptical as am I. Also, during the MTV launch I am still under the impression that they actually played a system during the four on four play. I cannot remember the game, but I was under the impression they were actually gaming on the 360 since that is how it was introduced. They said, "Now witness the first team game played on the Xbox 360" or something to that effect. Does anyone remember what the game was they were playing? Was it Unreal? I think it may have been something like that.
As far as my disappointment in what I have seen thus far on the Xbox 360 during E3 it's truly because of what MS has done, not because they weren't actually showing games played on the final product. Their launch titles suck. To showcase Dead or Alive 4 that in my opinion does not make me want to buy and Xbox 360...which is what launch titles are supposed to do. There was only one title that grabbed my attention and it isn't even a launch title and I'll have to wait till sometime in 2006 to play it.
The direction MS is taking with Xbox 360 is more of a "customize customize customize" approach. Sure, you can buy characters, outfits, and so on...but the key word there is BUY. You are talking to an anti-SONy person so don't think otherwise. But, from what I have seen 'Title-Wise' for both platforms MS has a serious hill to climb if they want to win my backing over the PS3. Their E3 performance only made the hill bigger. I really hope taht some great games come from the Xbox 360, and more than likely there will be some eye popping jaw dropping titles for both consoles. But, based on what I have seen for launch I am seriously not impressed.
And, that is not because of their lack of ability to show what the machine can really do. It's because they chose some terrible launch titles and just plain failed to wow me. The Xbox 360 is definitely cool. But, so far that is all it is to me. SONY has grabbed my attention. They did it by showing incredible titles that made me want to own that machine, regardless of price. If what they are showing is gameplay, I'd pay $500.00 with a smile on my face.
I don't look at the specs of the machines. I look at what they do with what they have. And, so far SONY is winning me over in the next gen console war. But, you are correct...only time will actually tell. _________________ Good Deals: Death@Hand, funkydopenloven, StaticMind, Slamscaper, PorscheXboxter
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