schirmk V.I.P. Member Xbox Version: Xbox V1.0 Modded: Chameleon
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject: Bush Relected???
So do you guys think that getting Saddam will be enough to get Bush relected? I sure hope that its not, but I fear that it might be. Just wondering what everyone else thought.... _________________ XBOX v1.0:
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:20 pm Post subject:
hope not for your sake..
Hes not real bright.. but then again hes only a puppet so it dont really matter.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:20 pm Post subject:
well i have bad news. it seem bush just got the what he needed to be elected. and i dono why thats but i never truted the usa gov on thier word
and i am sure bush will use the sep11 and sadam to push for his reelection
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:54 am Post subject:
I agree, which is most unfortuanate. I really hope that he messes up big time before elections......got my fingers crossed, I just want osmeone else in office... _________________ XBOX v1.0:
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:38 am Post subject:
im sure you guys can fill us in on all the US gossip about bush..
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:14 pm Post subject:
I can't say I hate him, but I can't say I like him either.
He does some good things and then screws up on the others. I just don't like the democrats here, because they can never settle on anything. _________________ "Modding the world, one xbox at a time"
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject:
When you look at the alternative to Bush, really, what's out there. My only problem with Bush is the economy. Economy always seems to do poory wtih Republicans....even though I voted for Republicans...HA. Being self employed and relying on the car business and IT to make a living, the economy is very important to me.
Kerry flip-flops too many times on issues. I know most presidents, or politicians for that matter, will say whatever it is they have to say to get elected. However, Kerry changes his tune day to day.
One of the newest rumors out this way is to keep an eye out for Mrs. Clinton...she is supposed to support Kerry, then all of a sudden with some political loophole run for president herself.
Now, I know she won't be elected, but it will take votes away from Bush which is probably the master plan...who knows. There are so many factors involved in one getting to the presidency, I truly feel my voice doesn't matter anyhow. _________________ Good Deals: Death@Hand, funkydopenloven, StaticMind, Slamscaper, PorscheXboxter
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:32 am Post subject:
hope he dont get in again.
Time for some new blood in the white house.
But dont care for any of the people running.
thats my two cents.
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PorscheXboxster V.I.P. Member Xbox Version: 1.1 & 1.3 Modded: Xecuter2
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:01 am Post subject:
Actually, I wonder how much influence the POTUS has on the U.S. economy. It is tradition to blame the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I think that's largely just because he is the biggest target. Every member of Congress, Senators & Representatives alike, point the finger at the POTUS and at the other members of Congress. Congress is good at diluting the blame. Most are more concerned about protecting their assets (did I spell that right?) than in actually doing anything beneficial for the country.
Also, I wonder how long it takes for POTUS' policies to affect the economy. Are current problems the blame of W? HRC?... (oops! meant Bill!), or Daddy Bush? Reagan? Jimmy? Gerald? Richard? To the extent that their policies affect the economy, what is the lag time?
I see no way that HRC running for POTUS would hurt W. Her supporters would very closely mirror JFK's, so if JFK & HRC were to both run, it would guarantee a Bush victory. Get Rush Limbaugh to run and I'll guarantee a Kerry victory.
While I won't divulge who I'll vote for, I will say that I think no current candidate is ideal... choose between the lesser of the two evils (in other words, politics as usual). Both major candidates talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk. If I could choose "None Of The Above, Start Elections Over With Completely New Candidates", that would be my choice.
I don't think Kerry can win, but Bush sure seems to be helping him out. If I could legally change my name to "None Of The Above" and get my name on the ballot in all 50 states, I'd be whistlin' "All Hail The Chief" come January!
Furthermore, are Asmunch & Realmcloy old enough to run for POTUS/VPOTUS?
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:42 am Post subject:
Hey, there's the ticket..
HA.
I am unsure how long it takes for the economy to be affected by policies, as I have never given it extreme thouht. But, I do know that the policies have to in some way effect the economy, even if it is just due to public perception then reaction. If you ask me, it took about four years for Bush to get the economy, or should I say, his policies to get the economy where it's at. Yes, Bush has people helping in the decision making, but he is the man in charge, so he get's the blame.
I talked of flip flopping when I mentioned Kerry. Well, Bush does his own flip flopping as well. Here is some theory on how Bush's tax cuts and war profiteering eventually effects the economy.
Bush knew he couldn't have both. He had to make some serious choices. Basically he had to decide whether to have tax cuts for the rich, and a bogus war on terror that provides endless defense contracts that benefit his family and cronies, in and out of the administration, or to provide adequate funding for government programs that benefit US citizens. For Bush that was easy. To hell with the citizens.
According to a secret memo revealed by the Washington Post, Bush has already warned most federal agencies to expect major spending cuts in 2006 if he is reelected. The memo, that was discovered on May 19, 2004, instructs federal agencies to use proposed cuts in calculating their future budgets. Under its formula, spending would face substantial cuts in areas like veteran benefits, homeland security, education, nutrition programs, homeownership, and scientific research.
What Bush Says verses What He Does
While campaigning all over the country, Bush has been bragging about his 2005 budget increases in funding to the exact same programs he's targeted for funding cuts in 2006.
For example, on 5/13/04, in remarks on Expanding Opportunities for American Students and Workers, he's bragged about adding $1.7 billion for education, saying, “Make no mistake about it; we're increasing the budgets at the federal level…So we're raising that bar; we're providing extra money," when in fact, Bush knows full well that he plans to cut $1.5 billion of that funding in 2006.
He also brags about increasing funding for Veteran's by $519 million in 2005. But here again, he forgets to mention that he already has plans to cut $910 million of funding for services provided to America's 26.7 Million veterans in 2006.
In his 4/2/02 remarks on his Early Childhood Initiative, Bush said, “We've got to work with states to encourage states to develop a strategy ... that will not only give children the basics for reading, but give children the essential nourishment so that they can become ready to compete in the public school system in America.” Yet now we find out that he plans to cut funding for programs like the Women, Infants and Children (WIC) nutrition program which in 2005, will receive $4.7 billion. Under his 2006 budget guidelines, WIC will lose $177 million, which means over 185,00 women will be forced out of the program. This cut represent a broken promise to American children.
When he announced his Early Childhood Initiative, he also said, “We must make sure that every child enter school ready to learn -- every child -- not just one, not just a few, but every, single child. On this issue we know what works and we know our responsibilities. And as parents, teachers and care givers, we must give our children the life-long gift of early learning.” But as it turns out, this is another broken promise because Head Start, the pre-school educational program that helps lower-income children, is set to lose $177 million in 2006. This means that more than 20,000 kids will have to be cut from the program.
While the funding for the homeownership program gets a $78 million boost in 2005, this will be reversed in 2006 by a $53 million cut. And, after getting a $764 million increase in 2005 that brought its budget to $28.6 billion, the National Institute of Health spending will be cut back to $28 billion in 2006.
On 9/10/03, while speaking at the FBI Laboratory, Bush said, “America’s first responders need to be well equipped, and they need to be well trained. The federal government has a responsibility to help, and we’re meeting that responsibility.” Bush has changed his tune on this song as well. In 2006, the Department of Homeland Security will lose $1 billion in funding, leaving local governments across America with inadequate funding to support local first responders, information sharing and terrorist threat reduction.
The truth is that the cuts outlined above will reverse any election year increase that Bush has bragged about during his campaign. If reelected, his obsession with tax cuts for the rich and the creation of defense contracts (AKA, war profiteering) will result in slashed funding for just about every program set up to help the middle class wage earners and lower income families.
The most frightening aspect of this scenario is that if the media continues its failure to properly warn the public of what this administration is up to, Bush may be reelected, and his plans to cut funding for all these programs, that will affect the daily lives of average citizens, will be successful before Americans even know what hit them.
You are correct in the belief that you should vote for whom will do less damage. I liked it better when all I had to worry about was the president getting blow jobs in the oval office. Hey, wait, I'll definitely run! _________________ Good Deals: Death@Hand, funkydopenloven, StaticMind, Slamscaper, PorscheXboxter
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:02 am Post subject:
Yes, I'm afraid the days of the Oval Orifice died on 9-11-01.
As far as tax cuts for the rich goes, I got a tax cut. I must be rich! I think the way the press defines rich and the way I define rich are two very different terms. How much did you have to make to qualify for those tax cuts? Wasn't it around $60,000 a year? If that's rich, then America has REALLY gone down the crapper. Rich has come to mean "All the people who have $1 more than me".
By the way, who should get tax cuts, keeping in mind that it is the rich who by far pay the most in taxes? Should it be the poor, who pay next-to-no income tax anyway. I have a cousin who gets those doggone "earned income credits" and, the way she talks, it sounds like she got back more than she paid in. Should SHE get a tax cut? Not hardly! When I hear politicians rail away on the "Tax Cuts For The Rich", I think how disingenuous they are. They don't give a whit about the poor, except when they can score political points. They just want to stir up class warfare. What's so funny is this... many people who want the government to "sock it to the rich" don't realize that they ARE the rich (by these politicians standards).
For the record, there is virtually no true poverty in the U.S.A. I lived in Zimbabwe a few years back. Very few had TVs or radios, virtually no phones, the vast majority have no running water nor electricity, and the majority had dirt floors. They wash their clothes by rubbing them with this huge bar of soap and beating them on rocks in the river.
My assistant Remigio, a local, was considered well-to-do because he owned a bicycle. My 'luxury" flat had a refrigerator, running water, toilet, and bathtub. Before I left I cleaned out my refrigerator. Remigio saw the ultrapasteurized milk I had and his eyes lit up! I told him I couldn't take it on the plane and he could have it if he wanted. It was like a little kid on Christmas Day. I could've cried! I still remember what he said "Oh! My wife will be so happy! We'll have MILK in the house!" He said they would use it when they had important guests over. Rather than haul all my clothes back, I handed much of it out to the many of the villagers who showed up at my back door. Folks, this is true poverty and is almost non-existent in the USA.
How many of our "poor" have no TV, no phone, no utilities, and no car? I also worked in "The Projects" in Cleveland, OH for about three years and that soured me on the poor in this country. Nearly everyone had cable TV, cell phones, pagers, and cars (many nicer than my own). Any of these "poor" Americans would live like kings in Zimbabwe. We have such wealth and prosperity in America that we, as a country, have no concept of real poverty. How could we recognize true poverty when we've never seen it?
Here's what I think is America's biggest problem: Too many people looking for the government to take care of problems that they should be taking care themselves. For every problem the government fixs, they create an additional five problems (I just made that number up, but I bet I'm close!). What things has the government fixed? Slavery, but that was almost 150 years ago.
What has ANY administration or Congress done that has truly improved the quality of life in this country since? All the recent presidents are struggling for their legacy... Nixon got us out of Vietnam and into Watergate. Gerald Ford did nothing as POTUS and has done nothing since. Carter gave us "Stagflation" as POTUS and now is trying to establish himself a great statesman. Reagan took credit for the Berlin Wall's collapse, but truthfully, at best, he may have helped speed up a process that was inevitable anyway. Bush I is living out his second term vicariously through Bush II, and Clinton, well, let's just agree to "not go there".
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:33 am Post subject:
I would have to agree with you that there is truly no poverty in america. Before one argues with me about this, please take into consideration that poverty is hunger. Poverty is lack of shelter. Poverty is being sick and not being able to see a doctor. Poverty is not being able to go to school and not knowing how to read. Poverty is not having a job, is fear for the future, living one day at a time. Poverty is losing a child to illness brought about by unclean water. Poverty is powerlessness, lack of representation and freedom.
Now, if you still feel you are poor....
Americans are born with every opportunity known to mankind. Every american is born with every right known to mankind. So, I guess then every american has the right to squander their opportunity as well. And, so many do. That however, doesn't make them poor. And, you are right. They will look to the governernment to bail them out. Your experience in Zimbabwe had to be a real eye opener. Maybe we all should think about how litte others have before we complain about what we don't have.
Personally, I think food, shelter, and health are the most important parts of anyones life. In america, there are people who work so hard to feed their families, to keep a roof over their head and yet they still have no money for healthcare. They make too much money for government programs, but make too little to pay for a plan on their own. Now, is this poor? Is this lack of opportunity? Does this person deserve a tax break or earned income credit? Arguments can be made for both sides.
Luckily, I do very well for myself. My wife and I are both self employed so not only do we have freedoms in that regard, we get to watch our daughter grow. And yes, I have all the comforts that one can want. Big screen tv's, cell phones, nice home, computers and tons of electronic goodies. But, I worked my ass off for this stuff. I was born with the same opportunity as everyone else in America. Even though I didn't go to college and get a degree, I still took advantage of every opportunity that I could. If I were to lose all my extra little comforts in life, all the superfluous items that I have aquired in the last five years I'd survive. But, if I were to lose the ability to keep my child healthy, that I could not overcome. I think that there are people in america slipping through some cracks. And, if because my family makes more than 100K per year I have to pay a little extra tax to assure that nobody slips through that crack, then I'd gladly pay it. You will always have people abusing the system, and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't punish the deserving to spite the underserving.
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