Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: Tech talk + help requested. How does ‘life’ begin for xbox?
This is how ‘life’ begins for the computer.
This is dated but close.
The computer is stupid. GIGO.
Garbage in. Garbage out.
First it starts in the eprom at address 0
(I think the eprom's address 0000:ffff).
That eprom is called a bios. Now the bios
will go through a (pre?) POST routine. Here it acts like a
doctor. Not fixing itself, just making its own excuse
for not going to work .
Which file does it open 1st?
Well the computer hasn’t achieved a degree
yet so it goes to address 0 on the hdd.
It pulls in the 1st sector of information and
dutifully performs it’s task. That 1st sector is
called the bootstrap. It tells the computer
to locate an object (file) at sector xyz and begin
loading what we call a file. How does the
stupid computer know how much to load?
In the last few bits/bytes/words/Dwords or qwords
of that sector is a delimiter w or w/o another address.
The delimiter will indicate if the file continues onto another
sector or if it is an EOF – end of file. If it is to continue
onto another sector, that address will be included in the
current sector it brought in on the last (this case 1st) read.
Except for quibbling, that is essentially correct.
edit: the file that the bios will load is what we call an O.S. for operating system. inside the bootstrap is an address which will serve a dual purpose.
It tells the bios where, in ram, to begin loading the file. And then jumps to that address upon completion of the read file. From that moment on, the O.S. is in charge. Added that because it was bugging me that it was missing. For those who were unaware, I hoped you gained some insight.
OK. But my problem is with the xbox.
Computer? Granted. Initially I need to know how
‘life’ begins for the xbox. But I need names and details.
Does default.xbe supercede evoxdash.xbe?
Does *.ini supercede *.xbe?
RE: Aid 2.11
Does the config.xml replace evox.ini? (conceptually)
In the config.xml is ip ’STATIC’.
Can I change that to ‘DHCP’ (and still be valid)?
I’m using a router. If not, what can/should I use?
Flash-ftp for xbox has an address set for *.103
The ftp address in the xml is *.102
Does it matter? I anticipate that the address used
by the flash-ftp must match the address in the config.xml.
Either both *.102 or both *.103
(never had a need to know networking before).
Thanks for the start. _________________ Xbox V1.1 120G
Bios ?
Xecuter 2.6 lite
Evox 3935
DHCP 192.168.0.103
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bobrownik V.I.P. Lifetime Xbox Version: 1.0-1.6 Modded: xenium/aladdin/x2.3/DuoX2
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: yeahhh
Does default.xbe supercede evoxdash.xbe?
default.xbe will be launched first only if its on the cd/dvd
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Does *.ini supercede *.xbe?
ini is a config file , xbe is a executable , so ini is part of an xbe launch ,
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Does the config.xml replace evox.ini? (conceptually)
In the config.xml is ip ’STATIC’.
Can I change that to ‘DHCP’ (and still be valid)?
config.xml and evox.ini are the same thing , different dashboards use different config formats ,
in the configs the ip is usually set to static , u can manually change it to dhcp , or u can change it in the dashboards network options,
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Flash-ftp for xbox has an address set for *.103
The ftp address in the xml is *.102
Does it matter? I anticipate that the address used
by the flash-ftp must match the address in the config.xml.
Either both *.102 or both *.103
(never had a need to know networking before).
the ip has to be the same in the config and the flashftp ,
if u use dhcp u might have a different ip then whats in the config right now , use current ip assigned to the xbox , most dashboards display the xbox current ip on the main screen _________________ Xbox v1.0/1.1/1.5/1.6a
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guyisok Xbox-HQ Member
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 54
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject:
Thanks bob,
That helps my understanding a great deal of how the machine
initializes and why the default.xbe. I noticed the games use default.xbe
at various locations. The answer tells me 'No, you can't just ftp them over there'.
I'm having problems and the answer I'm given is 'run Aid 2.1'.
(that was before I discovered that my machine won't read the disc).
I can understand that easily enough and that may solve all of problems but my machine won't accept the disc. That's why the 'iso an iso' question. At that time, I was wondering if it was putting on a format structure that was already wrapped inside a format structure. I'm satisfied that the disc was burned properly (I've got plenty ) so the problem exists elsewhere. How to find a solution?
Via con Dios _________________ Xbox V1.1 120G
Bios ?
Xecuter 2.6 lite
Evox 3935
DHCP 192.168.0.103
kdx80boy Xbox-HQ Elite Member Xbox Version: Xbox V1.0 Modded: Xenium Ice Pinheader
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 354
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:
What version dvd drive do you have in your xbox. If you are absolutely sure you are burning correctly, it probably is with the media. I went through about 5 different companies before I found one my xbox would read. _________________ XBOX- V1.0
Xenium ICE- OS 2.0.1
X2 4983.06
EVOX 3935
160 GB Western Digital
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guyisok Xbox-HQ Member
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 54
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject:
Hi kdx80boy,
I was going to edit the original post because I have another on this board about 'my precious steps in burning a failure' (they were almost precise).
bobrownik responded to that and had a suggestion. I have to consider his response and my timidness re: bittorent
Anyway, no I'm not sure but confident. I know when I tried dvd decryter, I choose 'make iso'. When I tried Nero, I choose 'burn image'. These were being mixed with +R and -R so I don't know which type I burned with what package. One I know for sure is Nero, burn image, 2x, verbatim -R. That's the one I have the most confidence with.
But then is 'burn image' equal to 'burn iso'? I thought so.
That's why I prefer dvd decrypter. It's specific. It says 'burn iso'.
edit: doubled checked nero and yes, 'burn image' is for iso, bin and
some other file type but that was immaterial to me.
I have a phillips in mine (according to the picture I saw someplace - it does not have the two side holes but does have the big hub space. Adding this in case of faulty memory regarding the picture).
I don't mean this in a negative way, but it's nice to know that someone else had the same problem. I thought the machine may be muffed
and will have to do all kinds of extraordinary crap to put in different dash.
I bought mine (my sons) a while back and recently took it to have it modded. If I turn the chip off, the system will not work - except to tell me it needs repair. Then, with the chip on, it did not read the disc(s). So I've been VERY concerned about it being functionally broken. Esp after learning that flashing with the wrong size bios can damage the xbox or chip. As opposed to falling in the bit bucket. Because it's a x2.6 it has 2 banks or 512k and billy bob flashed it with 1M. It does not matter which side I have the switch at. It works but not as expected. That's were the functionally broken terminology comes from.
Hopefully some passerby can respond w/ best guess to that.
So what type of dvd do you have and what type of media did you use?
Anyone with a phillips, kindly speak up.
Appreciate the input. I have to give this a rest. My wrist and elbow are getting sore from typing.
Vaya con Dios _________________ Xbox V1.1 120G
Bios ?
Xecuter 2.6 lite
Evox 3935
DHCP 192.168.0.103
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kdx80boy Xbox-HQ Elite Member Xbox Version: Xbox V1.0 Modded: Xenium Ice Pinheader
Joined: Apr 01, 2005 Posts: 354
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:
"I bought mine (my sons) a while back and recently took it to have it modded. If I turn the chip off, the system will not work - except to tell me it needs repair. Then, with the chip on, it did not read the disc(s). So I've been VERY concerned about it being functionally broken. Esp after learning that flashing with the wrong size bios can damage the xbox or chip. As opposed to falling in the bit bucket. Because it's a x2.6 it has 2 banks or 512k and billy bob flashed it with 1M. It does not matter which side I have the switch at. It works but not as expected. That's were the functionally broken terminology comes from."
If the xbox gets an error with the chip off, but works with the chip on, my guess would be your harddrive is not locked. Try locking it and seeing if it works with the chip off. About it not reading disc(s), is that official xbox games or burnt dvd's and cdr's that you made?
As far as the bios, from what you are telling me it does seem like he put a bigger bios on it than should be there. If it has 2 banks or 512k, than yes the 1meg is too big, but if it is 2 banks of 512 (they usually allow you to do 2 of 512 or 1 of 1 meg, or 4 of the 256k), than the one 1meg should be fine as long as it is the right one for your model xbox.
I personally have a thompson drive and I got both the SONY DVD-R and the STAPLES DVD-R to work in it. If you search around the forums a little bit, I am sure you will find someone who said they have a philips and what brand they used. _________________ XBOX- V1.0
Xenium ICE- OS 2.0.1
X2 4983.06
EVOX 3935
160 GB Western Digital
Free MP3 Players http://www.mp3players4free.com/default.aspx?r=78952
Free iPod http://ipods.freepay.com/?r=10868939
guyisok Xbox-HQ Member
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 54
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
Thanks kdx80boy,
Yea, I was going to ask about the locking thing because mine is not locked but it does work. From what I've been reading, the box has to be locked to function. Maybe the reference point for that was soft modding. Or maybe .... whatever.
As far as dvds, it does read official games. It does not read any of the multiple iso's I made. Sorry about any miscommnuication on that part.
I was worried about the thing being functionally broken.
Rhetorically, who know what bios he stuck in and what it does?
I could look inside the Aid file and see default.xbe but it held little
meaning to me. Edit: now it does.
I'm a lot more at ease now. Now I feel like it's simply a matter of time &/or trial and error. I feel that the box is not functionally broken. (sigh of relief). It's just set up that way. It seems like once it reads the aid 2.11, the box should be most of the way I want it to be.
I want to thank you all very much for the help I received. FH, bobrownik,
kdx80boy, pirrup and another fellow (handle begins with l; lokey?) who I can't recall directly. My apologies. Hope I didn't leave anyone out.
I thought the box was so muffed that my problem was unique.
I'm relieved to know the problem can be resolved and it's not faulty hardware. I've got a long story on that but I won't go into it.
Ok. I'll rest, try different media and report back.
Have one on me
Vaya con Dios
guyisok _________________ Xbox V1.1 120G
Bios ?
Xecuter 2.6 lite
Evox 3935
DHCP 192.168.0.103
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