Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: xbox 360 modship
with the new xbox 360 coming out can anyone speculate when well see modded versions of it? how much more theyll cost? some say itll play xbox games if u get a 360 with a hard drive what do you think? ty for yur input... :
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:
Its way to early to even start speculation, all we have are hardware specs, with usually any means hardware alone can be modified.
If you watch carefully about a minute into the OurColony video, you see a motherboard with an LPC sticking up from it, that would be where the development debug chip would go most likely, unless MS circumvented the LPC in the final retail version.
So time will tell, and I would hate to see only a 29 wire mod install for it, I will need to get a better soldering iron.
As for Backwards Compatibility, in the OurColony Video, they were playing the Halo2, ATX Unleashed and another game, supposedly ont he xbox360.
So if it is BKWDZ COMPAT we really don't know, b/c expressed in several articles the chipset on the 360 makes it difficult to create a BKWDZ COMPAT, especially the processor going from an Intel core to an IBM. Then as stated in an article, there are licensing fees microsoft may have to pay if they do wish for their console to be xbox 1 compliant. Thats money out of pocket, when everyone has their xbox still. The xbox is changing complete chipsets so there will be plenty of issues.. The games will be WAAAAYYYY Tooo fast.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:
If I had to speculate, which is pretty much what you are asking for, I would have to say it's moddable. But, I think it's going to be much harder than most people anticipate.
I truly believe MS has went all out in effort to make this a tough cookie to crack. I would be there are extra checks in place to thwart the use of non retail kernel bios'. Maybe some type of eeprom manipulation that actively checks what bios is operating..who knows. Even though that is able to be circumvented, it's another step.
Who knows though, maybe they have come up with a way to make it unmoddable..you never know. Until the chip manufactures get their hands on one and start hacking away, it's impossible to know for sure. In reality though, with the Xbox 360's killer features you realy don't need to mod it. It recognizes so many more types of media to boot, it has so many neat features, I really can't see any reason to want to mod it...unless you are into piracy or something.
Right now, most people mod the Xbox to enjoy DivX movies, MP3s, play multi-region games etc... If MS gives us a way to do that now, then all they have to worry about is the people pirating games. Which is a huge problem and costs MS and game developers literally billions!! I look for new technolgies in regard to game disks to come about too. Much like the macrovision days with VHS tapes, I bet some new copy protection bells and whistles will be evident on the game disks themselves.
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Well for me I would like to add patches on games and use trainers, play imports. Thats basicly the main reason why I was wondering about a modchip for the 360 but yes I agree its going to be a powerhouse.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:09 am Post subject:
first just remember how current xbox was modded...
godmod is right, the way the 360 is currently presented as makes me think it actually can do what a modded xbox can do (besides backup of course).
ms quietly listened to gamers and modders. the best way for them to have the 360 not to be chipped is to give as many flexible features as possible!
k how is ms being dumb? are u refering to them allowing playing imports? or refering to playing blank dvds and cds? I for one think its a good idea, such as them making the xbox 360 very capable like a good pc. So u could upload pix and other things read from yur burnt dvd or cd. Or perhaps play yur favorite burnt music cd. Just my opinion....A pc can do that so why not xbox 360? The 360 is going to be a great asset, I think itll be better than a pc for what its capable of. btw this is the specs directly from the xbox.com site...Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD...
I still wonder if theyll make it region free like some dvd players on the market so we could play imports games and dvds.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:53 am Post subject:
Microsoft is not stupid in any way, they are a money making corporation. They know that we are modding the xbox, and it is my belief that they are loving the fact we are doing so because it means more systems being sold. How many of you modders have more than one xbox? I myself have 2. And the more systems they sell, the better profit they make as well as it looking good on their reports as the number of xboxd sold that quarter. So will this next generation xbox be able to be modded, I believe so. And I can't wait, as these new systems are all very sexy the way they come!!!!! _________________ XBOX- V1.0
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject:
There stupied in the fact that they didnt make the damn 360 backwards compatible!They said it will play "hit xbox games" Meaning like halo and a few others,Whats the point??You say its backwards compatible but then it again it can only play a few xbox games not all of them....not smart not smart.Dont get me wrong im pumped for the new xbox 360 just wish they would of had the smarts to consider backwards compatible and catch on to what the ps3 is doing.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:41 am Post subject:
gregmac wrote:
There stupied in the fact that they didnt make the damn 360 backwards compatible!They said it will play "hit xbox games" Meaning like halo and a few others,Whats the point??You say its backwards compatible but then it again it can only play a few xbox games not all of them....not smart not smart.Dont get me wrong im pumped for the new xbox 360 just wish they would of had the smarts to consider backwards compatible and catch on to what the ps3 is doing.
YOU'RE AN IDIOT
You clearly don't understand anything about "backwards compatibility" or computer programming of any sort.
The architecture couldn't be any more different between the two xboxes. It will specifically emulate a game, not the general architecture of the xbox, which will allow certain games to play perfectly. A general emulation will cause speed problems, graphical glitches and random crashing
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Hmmmm....thing is ps3 seems to pull it off?Theres no excuse i dont care what you say if you can make the so called hit games "backwards compatibility'" you can make the rest.As far as being a graphics"PRO" no im not,but i watched the E3 live shows on tv...seems i heard alot of pepole bitching about the same thing i am ...member the ps3 seems to have all there games backwards compatibility.....but i guess were ALL IDIOT'S huh for thinking the xbox could and should do the same.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:47 am Post subject:
The ps3 can "do it" as it has hardware in it which does the job. The chip on the ps2 was on the soundcard, and they could prob get the Ps2 hardware down to the same size. And while We have heard all this about the ps3, I have yet to see any games from previous systems running on it
And yes you could make all the games b/c, if you specifically emulated every single game, this just isnt practical. I do know the BC software isnt finalised and they are trying to make it run all the games, If they do go this route though, there will have to be minor updates that you can download for it via xbox live
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
i got a sheet from gamestop today that has all the specs on the 360. it says that it will be backwards compatable with all xbox games. and industry analysis expect it to run $249-299. ill post the sheet up if i ever get around to getting my scanner hooked up.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:04 am Post subject:
It is true that M$ officials/staff - or whatever you choose to call them - have stated that they are trying to make the xBox 360 backwards compatible. This isn't exactly an easy task to complete, as someone has already stated, the architecture to the two systems are quite different. A lot of the hardware devices from xBox may need to be emulated through software on the xBox 360 in order for it to play all games, but even then they might run slower than xBox. There are going to be compatibility issues. You forget that when coding, companies develop the software solely for that console/platform, and for its next-gen version; whereas in PC development, everything is tested to work on all different types of configurations.
xBox games are written for xBox solely, and for xBox hardware, it's not as easy as you may think to simply say "oh shit, lets make the 360 backwards compat." _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
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