Yeah, Modgod, I agree with pretty much all you've said. Though I think Sony were saying that KZ2 was in-game footage, but as they hadn't any completed consoles (correct me? I don't really know) to run it on, they were showing pre-rendered footage.
I'm not too sure on the details, that was simply the impression I got.
True about launch titles, hell, even PS3's didn't impress me. E3 in terms of the next-gen for me was pretty much "Ooh... Shiny things". The games didn't interest me and the videos were unreliable as evidence of how they'd look.
E3...really only the current gen titles got me really excited. Kingdom Hearts 2, MGS3:Subsistence, Final Fantasy XII, Zelda:Twilight Princess, FFVII:Dirge of Cerberus.
Yeah, I like my franchises.
Only title that interested me on the next generation was MGS4 for PS3.
funkydopeloven Xbox-Hq Genius
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
yea on that MTV revealing they said it was the first multiplayer deathmatch on the 360 or something to that effect. if they weren't actually playing on a 360 they basically outright lied to us on that ynveiling
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:
funkydopeloven wrote:
yea on that MTV revealing they said it was the first multiplayer deathmatch on the 360 or something to that effect. if they weren't actually playing on a 360 they basically outright lied to us on that ynveiling
That's if they were G5s, if they were specially designed Alpha dev units then it's not so much lying.
eebeejay Xbox-HQ Enthusiast
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
This is hilarious.
Every time the nextgen consoles surface, there are debates, even verbal wars over which one is better.
In the end specs don't mean a damn thing. (example: Xbox has much better specs, but PS2 is the #1 console).
Sony fanboys will buy PS3, and downtalk Xbox360 whether it a lesser machine or not.
M$ fanboys will buy Xbox360, and downtalk PS3 no matter which machine is better.
As long as the nextgen consoles are a significant leap over the current consoles, everything will be fine and I'll have an Xbox360, PlayStation 3, AND Nintendo Revolution (which nobody's discussing), sitting right next to my Xbox, PS2, and GameCube.
There is NO sense in arguing over consoles that we haven't even seen yet. The only thing seen has been on devkits and/or renderings, right?
Still, as with every new set of consoles, since they're comparable (spec-wise) It'll be the games that decide the outcome.
(Although given Sony's history, I am more apt to believe that Xbox360 will be closer to M$'s untruthful, embellished specs than I am to believe PS3 will be to Sony's untruthful, embellished specs). _________________ *Xbox 1.4.
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funkydopeloven Xbox-Hq Genius
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:
actually its been a pretty much open discussion. as this IS an xbox sight you'd think you'd get 99% ps3 suxxors the ballz discussion. but we're all realistic, adult-ish, and open minded about it. i prolly won't get either for a long time though, as my modded xbox as most of the features the next gen's are boasting
rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
[q]Whether the two ["Alpha dev units" and G5s] are one and the same could be a real possibility, but that is yet to be seen. [/q]
Okay, we were both as right as each other.
[q]you basically called him stupid which made me angry, this ain't X-S and we don't need flamers. thanks for the article.
i would consider someone that understands the given spces of the 360 and the PS3 to be fluent in geekese. and i think thats what his question was refereing to, not saying that what you've said thus far makes you a geek. he just wanted someoen that understood the specs to give their opinion[/q]
You need to get over it, I enjoy hanging in a relaxed environment (this forum, in this case) and not need to worry about people taking things to heart. If you'd like to get into what I really said, vs what we really said, we would've offended each other the same amount - you need to understand that.
As for what the whole article is about, which seems to have drawn me offtopic thanks to one or two lines, I'm still sticking with xBox 360, because it's going to be released first. This will mean that they'll have more games out at the time of release for PS3 (remember back to PS2 vs xBox; xBox came out later and I think they suffered for it).
They might just be on par with one another - although xBox demolished PS2 on paper (right?), they were still no real notable differences, were there? I can say I didn't really see many anyway. It may be the same case with the next-gen consoles once again, but only time will really tell.
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(Although given Sony's history, I am more apt to believe that Xbox360 will be closer to M$'s untruthful, embellished specs than I am to believe PS3 will be to Sony's untruthful, embellished specs)
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Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Chicago, Il
Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:16 am Post subject:
rav3n2k wrote:
As for what the whole article is about, which seems to have drawn me offtopic thanks to one or two lines, I'm still sticking with xBox 360, because it's going to be released first. This will mean that they'll have more games out at the time of release for PS3 (remember back to PS2 vs xBox; xBox came out later and I think they suffered for it).
I wish that were the case. I wish it was like the SuperNintendo/SegaGenesis war in the sense that units sold were virtulally even. But I think it's gonna be one-sided in the end. Of all the people I know with consoles, I estmating about 65% of them own a PS2. And they virtually all say, "I'm gonna get a PS3", or "The Xbox2 is crappy", or something that's PS2-biased. And vice-versa with the Xbox & Cube owners.
For the most part these are people who don't frequent game forums (or people I'd call casual gamers). Casual gamers tend to have brand loyalty. And Sony is the brand that in most single-console homes.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but M$ better pull a magical rabbit out of it's ass, and MAKE FULLUSE OF THIS est 6-MONTH HEADSTART.
I'm rooting for an all out war. The more even the war, the better the games are that come our way.
Coming out second wasn't the only reason Xbox suffered. Remember, PSone came out AFTER Saturn. Saturn flopped, PSone did huge numbers. All those millions of loyal PSone owners bypassed DreamCast and waited for PS2. And they're prepared to do the same, and wait for PS3, unless Microsoft does something phenomenal with 360 (which I hope is the case).
Sony's got the numbers out there already. They can release an inferior console if they wanted, and it would still sell. M$ & Nintendo don't have that luxury.
I'm no Sony fanboy. My order of preference for consoles is Xbox/Gamecube/PS2. My order of preference for software is Xbox/PS2/Gamecube. _________________ *Xbox 1.4.
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rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:38 am Post subject:
I think the key factor that will tip once console ahead of the other might be games. I'll use your terminology, and Casual gamers generally enjoy their RPGs, and love their Final Fantasy. (They jump on the back foot very fast when you mention that FFXI is going to be on x360). I believe exclusives will be the decider, and not the hardware components. M$ has played their cards well, and I do believe the time advantage will play a vital role in xBox becoming a market leader. Another interesting point, I've noticed, is the release of Halo3 on the date PS3 is expected to be release. Once again, props to M$ on this idea to drown out the media attention, and draw it all away from the silver machine and over to Master Chief.
Then again, I can only assume as much as you, or the next person to come along can - nobody can know for sure. _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: Spec's?
So ahh there is no straight foward comparison is there?
I mean like tflops vs tflops and that for the two console's, I study IT and I will be this first to admit I can make no direct comparisons between the two as they use differant measurements or speed and so on, so I do IT and I have no idea, so how do they expect the adverage joe to make a educated decision? (no offence to all you joe's out there)
Or is there a general consensus between M$ and Sony that they would rather that their customers are not able to make direct comparison's in order to ensure neither console looks worse off... I guess it is a marketing idea of sorts and not a bad one I must admit as 90% odd of customers are virtually forced to rely on their personal prefrence over solid knowledge as they simply dont have the ability to disipher the crap they claim as specifics, ok calm down, but it just annoyes me that they would rather not let their customers loyal or not know exactly in plain english what the console can do, I mean embelished or not people like to know what they are buying or at least I do.
Ok im just raving now so ill shut up, but if anyone can give direct comparisions even though they are virtually propaganda it gives the adverage gamer something to work from
Ok I have calmed down and realise I may have offended people, if I have I apologise. This is not an excuse rather an explanation, I see people all the time talking down one console or the other because they saw some graph on a site somewhere, never mind it may have been bias or only an estimation they take the smallest thing and suddenly it is concrete evidence and they wont be told otherwise, but this is not the reason, I saw two 16 yr olds come to fist's over a debate about which console is better, I mean its stupid this is not what gaming is all about you dont play so you can get bashed because some guy doesnt like what you do, you play to enjoy yourself, people need to stop this constant fighting and just WAIT!, but I understand this is never going to happen so rather I think if there is something solid to stick under their noses they may at least slow down, ok I guess this is a bit of a stretch and it very likely not going to work, but two guys fighting because they like differant consoles is disgracefull and I just hope this is not what it is like every where _________________ WE ALL STARTED DIEING AT BIRTH
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rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:
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I mean like tflops vs tflops and that for the two console's, I study IT and I will be this first to admit I can make no direct comparisons between the two as they use differant measurements or speed and so on, so I do IT and I have no idea, so how do they expect the adverage joe to make a educated decision? (no offence to all you joe's out there)
They're measured in the same units, (t/flops) you just need to know how to make sure that those units are calculated on the same "areas" of the console.
You won't get an accurate comparison anywhere, unless it's two Sony/M$ employees debating about their consoles hardware specifications. Until they're both actually out, all you're going to get is a great big ball of assumptions from Sony, and some fair enough fact from M$. (I know I sound like a fanboy, but Sony talk themselves up like they really do have a computer already, when they still have no Cell.) _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
I think saying the Cell is incomplete is a bit rich considering The Xbox 360 isn't even running it's own hardware yet.
rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:
They've got Alpha (or possibly G5s) consoles setup, which actually play games - more than I can say for PS3. It's fact, that all Sony are hoping for is that this Cell will obliterate its competition, but I still think they're hoping for a bit too much from it, considering it's not anywhere near completion. I'll try and get the link to another article I read... _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:02 am Post subject:
rav3n2k wrote:
They've got Alpha (or possibly G5s) consoles setup, which actually play games - more than I can say for PS3. It's fact, that all Sony are hoping for is that this Cell will obliterate its competition, but I still think they're hoping for a bit too much from it, considering it's not anywhere near completion. I'll try and get the link to another article I read...
I think the worst possible scenario's concerning that is that the PS3 is delayed or they'll have to reduce the specs of some of their games, that's if problems arise. Also, bear in mind by current estimations the PS3 will be at least 6 months later than the 360, and we have no idea at what state the 360 hardware was in 6 months ago.
In the end, despite the extreme power difference between the box and the PS2, if I had to choose there'd be no question. And judging from the franchises and companies in the next-generation, personally whilst the 360 seems to be handling this better than the Xbox, I think the PS3 will still have the edge in content.
Anyhoo, I read somewhere that the PS3 will support both Memory Stick and SD memory sticks/cards, I was quite surprised.
rav3n2k Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:06 am Post subject:
Hmm, the thing is that a Microsoft rep has basically talked 3 or 4 companies into making Sony exclusives into M$ products as well. Square Enix, among others, was one of them named to know be cross-platformed with their Final Fantasy series... I wonder if they'll release FFXII on x360 as well as FFXI. As has been said, only time will tell. The SD card support is an interesting idea, I must admit, since it'll make game save transferring (among other things to be discovered when it's out) a lot easier. But, as you've said, if problems arise then specs will detoriate. Are we going to see a repeat of PS2...? _________________ There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who can't.
JustAnOrdinaryPanda Xbox-HQ Experienced Xbox Version: V1.4 Modded: Xenium
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject:
rav3n2k wrote:
Hmm, the thing is that a Microsoft rep has basically talked 3 or 4 companies into making Sony exclusives into M$ products as well. Square Enix, among others, was one of them named to know be cross-platformed with their Final Fantasy series... I wonder if they'll release FFXII on x360 as well as FFXI. As has been said, only time will tell. The SD card support is an interesting idea, I must admit, since it'll make game save transferring (among other things to be discovered when it's out) a lot easier. But, as you've said, if problems arise then specs will detoriate. Are we going to see a repeat of PS2...?
I hope not, though I still think the support for Sony is strong enough so that it won't matter if that does happen. In terms of Square Enix and FF, this might be a different ball-game, but I don't see much of a real future with MS. I keep thinking too much of what I thought the Gamecube was to receive when it collaborated with Square Enix, and they wound up with essentially a renamed Mana title akin to "Final Fantasy Adventure".
I think that one of the motives behind SE in that scenario is that they saw functionality that would work really well with a title they had in development (GBA - Cube connectivity) and they see it again here, with the XBOX's online Live service being far more developed than the online PS2 scene.
Oh yeah, one question, does the PS3 boast UMD support or did I dream that?
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