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guyisok
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Post Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:59 am   
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I am of the opinion that the blue screen, depicted in the turorials, is the screen which is presented when a new mod chip is installed.
edit: re: flashbios V3.03
Thus someone is not merely flashing the bios but needs a particular
reference point (a new unflashed mod chip) to complete the task.
And any attempt to re-flash thereafter must be done with a programmer.


But now that the X2.x is soldered in, will the programmer connect as readily to the X2.x as shown in those advertisements?
Smile Of coarse I mean without desoldering the X2.6. Smile

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:17 am   
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guyisok wrote:
I am of the opinion that the blue screen, depicted in the turorials, is the screen which is presented when a new mod chip is installed.
edit: re: flashbios V3.03
Thus someone is not merely flashing the bios but needs a particular
reference point (a new unflashed mod chip) to complete the task.
And any attempt to re-flash thereafter must be done with a programmer.


But now that the X2.x is soldered in, will the programmer connect as readily to the X2.x as shown in those advertisements?
Smile Of coarse I mean without desoldering the X2.6. Smile

TIA


Your title is pretty down and simple, but your body is very confusing. BASICALLY: If you have more than one bank on the chip, switch to another bank, and you can reflash to the proper bios. Just make sure you know what bios you need to reflash with. IF you do not have more than one bank, your going to need a programmer. At one point TheModGod thought of renting out chips to people, BUT im not sure as if he has done this.

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:53 am   
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"Your title is pretty down and simple, but your body is very confusing"

"edit: re: flashbios V3.03".
I am of the opinion that the blue screen, depicted in the turorial, is the screen which is presented when a new mod chip is installed.
Thus someone is not merely flashing the bios but needs a particular
reference point (a new unflashed mod chip) to complete the task.
And any attempt to re-flash thereafter must be done with a programmer.

But now that the X2.x is soldered in, will the programmer connect as readily to the X2.x as shown in those advertisements?

Smile Of coarse I mean without desoldering the X2.6. Smile

TIA"

Thar ya be. All fit n' proper.

A simple 'yes' to the titled question would have been sufficient.
Why 'yes'?
1) 'yes' is correct.
2) 'yes' is short.
3) 'yes' is complete.
4) then any other additional information would be/have been welcome.

Now, I'll try this again,

But now that the X2.x is soldered in, will the programmer connect as readily to the X2.x as shown in those advertisements?
( In the advertisements, the chip is not soldered in place )

Smile Of coarse I mean without desoldering the X2.6.
(and function properly if used properly, etc. ) Smile

I can not write and endless set of conditions here. Some common sense as to the intent of the question is necessary. Simply put, should it work -
not will it work.

I used X2.6 because that's what I have.
I used X2.x because that is what the advertisement used.

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:31 pm   
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if you have your x2 flashed on bank1, you might be able to switch to bank2 and see the flashbios screen again.

if you flashed both banks with a good bios and would like to change/upgrade it, then use evox to flash the chip

if you flashed both banks with a bad bios and the xbox frags when booting either bank, then and only then do you need the programmer. YES, you WILL have to unplug the chip to use the programmer as it plugs into the chip just like the pinheader

hopefully that answer was 1. accurate, 2. short, 3. complete, and 4. contained additional useful info for you. Cool

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:11 pm   
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Thanks Aweirdguy.

I had no intention on ruffling your feathers on what I thought makes for a good answer.

The answer informs me that I can re-flash using evox provided I did not have a bad flash. I'll have to find a tutorial on that because all the apps are loaded and I don't know what evox is looking for nor where it expects to find it.

I've used identical brand media for flashbios V3.03 as I used for AID 2.11. I know it's not working for me. I know I'm not getting the blue screen. I know I am not given the screen which lets me select how I want to load a bios. I know flashbios is a bin file but I don't know how/why flashbios*.bin is supposed to work (as opposed to being an *.xbe file). I thought that if I had a misunderstanding of flashbios V3.03, then that misconception would be illuminated by an individual who has more detailed experience with flashbios V*.

Yes, the chip board must be removed from the socket. I'll have to re-look at the chip but my recollection is that some wires are soldered from the modchip board to the motherboard. That condition to me implies two potential sources for the need to desolder the chip.
1) space, fit, etc.
2) applied voltage via programmer to the motherboard

Unless I purchase the programmer, I have no clue as to (1) and I doubt (2).

I have questions regarding flash size but I'll make those another post.

Thanks Aweirdguy et. al.

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:50 pm   
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Hum...I've got an Xecutor 2.6 CE (if that isn't what you are talking about then disregard this and I'll shut up), and it is a 1MB Bios chip, but only needs 512MB per boot BIOS (technically, I think it is a 4 bank chip, just it is using 2x 256MB "banks" for the actual BIOS, but that may be getting nit-picky).

Anyway, it is pretty clearly stated a couple times that you can NOT FLASH bank 2, it will ignore your settings and you actually are flashing Bank 1. So, technically, Bank 2 is a safety "read only" bios that always alows you to boot to the blue flash BIOS.

I've personally tried to flash Bank 2, and it does replace bank 1, not Bank 2 (if you try to reboot on Bank 2 after flashing it, the flash BIOS is the screen you still get).

Just my experience. Oh, and the REAL answer is usually never 1) accurate, 2) short, 3) complete.

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:41 am   
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"it is pretty clearly stated a couple times that you can NOT FLASH bank 2"

Thanks for the input. Since I did not put the chip unit in myself, I have never seen that statement - regardless of it's source.

I'm using a x2.6 lite.
The warnings to use the proper size, combined with how-to's, has confused me. I'm told there are two banks of 512k. Switch to position x for either bank 1 or switch to position y for bank 2. So far so good (meaning I understand). Then the how-to instructions say to flash via 1 meg. Oh well, there goes the understanding. As I recall, there are two
file sizes for flashbios V3.03. 256k or 1M. I surrender to using 1M but I can not imaine how the same people can tell me to use the proper size
and shortly thereafter instruct me to use 1M on a mod chip they know has two banks where the size of each bank is 512k. (and hearing that bank 2 is a sort of ROM doesn't help the understanding either (not complaining).

"So, technically, Bank 2 is a safety "read only" bios that always alows you to boot to the blue flash BIOS."

Ok, I believe you but .....

(conclusion) Then bank 2 is responsible for initializing bios.bin which will permit bank 1 to be flashed.

I don't know how different the CE is vs the Lite but thanks for the info.

I don't know if I'll try to flash it again or just say the hell with the whole idea. There seems to be plenty of conflicting information regarding
something I'm confident that most people here consider to be a 'simple' thing.

I had to leave for a short period.

"Oh, and the REAL answer is usually never 1) accurate, 2) short, 3) complete."

Was my comment insensitive? Yes. Embarassed
I suppose I underestimated how the titled question may be perceived.
The 'then and only then' comment given by aweirdguy clarified it.

Thanks

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:15 pm   
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no feathers ruffled, i was just poking fun at your "insensitivity"... lol

assuming it wont boot to flashbios now, you want nothing to do with flashbios anymore. it sounds like you want to reflash the chip with it, but theres no point. as long as you're reflashing the chip just flash with the bios you need on there, like the latest x2 or evox bios.

as to bios size, you should flash an x2 with either a 512k or a 1mb. if you use a 512 it will flash bank1, if you use a 1mb it will flash both banks 1 and 2.

the x2 should not be soldered directly to anything, it usually sits on a pinheader (pulls right off). the wires that go to the external switch, the activity led points on the bottom of the mobo, and possibly an alt +5v line (1.6 box only) are all attached to the chip with simple plugs. removing the chip should be no problem at all so you can attach it to a programmer

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:28 am   
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Thanks aweirdguy,
it answers the questions I had as to the physical ease of use of the programmer. I thought there were a couple wires leading to the mobo.

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