Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 1887 Location: Orlando/West Palm Beach, FL USA
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject:
I am not slinging insults anynmore.
As far as the tutorials go, I mentioned something to forahobby a while back on the better organization of them.
The servers ALSO, if you look, do not belong to HQ, however, VIP and Admin alike share the bandwidth THEY pay for, AND THEY pay for this site to be a VIP. Sure, they would get it free for hosting the FTP, but they feel its in the best interest of the site.
And I never said XS wasnn't important. The owner started off over there, however the boards were not newb friendly and caused more frustation to non-devs, causing for the classic, newb questions and their oh-so redundancy.
Everyone wants to knock this site for their donations, but its what helps make this site what it is, other wise, XS would be the only leading board to get help off of. Sure, it might look like they are being charged for the software, for those who don't look into it more, and AID, which is free, includes all their software, so even the more obscure programs get a chance to get onto a newbs xbox.
Finally, the only people who get first dibs at AID< and I will preach this till you are blue in the face..
B/c you are once again WRONG, everyone gets a shot at it first, only testers get it early, and there are many betas, so we use a lot of discs trying to help (I don't like RW's personally, never reuse them.)
Bit torrent is the absolute fastest way to get AID on day 1 of release. No if ands or buts about. What you think is incorrect, no matter how much you believe it. I personalyl get it from BT b/c it downs in about half the time.
The servers are not major bandwidth ones, they are guys who have a large pipe at their house or can spare some for work.
XS is a good site, I learned a lot there, however I learned even more here. And some of my problems would have never have been answered over at XS. _________________ XBOX v1.6
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Takenover83 Xbox-HQ Member Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: The latest from xbox-hq
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 57
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject:
I think part of the problem is that SID4 is not even listed in the news on the Aid Site. It eventually showed up in the download section though. Why wasnt a Bittorent link shared with the community via the news on either of the sites? It's kinda like you do provide your releases via bitorent but really dont give it the attention it deserves because it may take away from your donations.
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 1887 Location: Orlando/West Palm Beach, FL USA
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject:
Once again, you aer the only one concerned with money.
Sid 3 was by DJB
Sid 4 is a 2 part effort btwn Knave (Who rewrote the SID) and DJB who assisted him. It was there decision to release it before the official day with Aid3 coupled. That is there decision.
They don't even have to share it, they can keep it all for themselves. For someone who is so worried about it, I think you should write your own script. Be it based upon someone elses or not, just alter it enough to where you can show you put effort into it and not just changed aronud some image files and some text.
Sid 4 /knave's installer (his other installer before DJB got in on it) isn't even released. You know what, I think we should chastize him for it. Why, b/c he wanted to release it to members in his fellow community.
Does that make him a facist? no, it means he can do whatever the f#&@ he wants to do with it.
Why do people join any organization. Everyone should just before themselves. That would put you and me shit out of luck.
If I made sid 5, and I won't b/c i don't have shit for programming skills, I would let my buddies play around with it first....then I would release it to everyone. Why, my discretion.
You are the only one hung up on money. These guys aren't living the posh life. One tirelessly codes this website all day. He is always online, he rarely sleeps a full night.
The other codes AID in his spare time.
When and how they release it is of no concern to anyone else in the entire scene than them.
I encourage you to start your own Xbox Hub, watch hosting costs rise through the roof and attempt to make money when all the big advertising dollars go to XS.
Edit: You will say I didn't answer your news question... Knave decided to release it early, b/c he was VERY proud of it and by right he should be with the virtual eeprom, he posted it only in a thread for VIPS.
It was to be released officially when AID3 comes out as a bundle. i know thats rendundant, but I want to express that it will be out for the whole world to take when AID3 is deployed, which is waiting on a new version of XBMC before he releases it. _________________ XBOX v1.6
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Takenover83 Xbox-HQ Member Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: The latest from xbox-hq
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 57
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject:
Ok then maybe there should be some clarification. SID4 carries the SID name so people will think it is comming from this site.
I really could do without the story of what someone else will not release., and I have no desire to release my own version of the exploit. That is still very beside the point.
It is being hosted on the site but was not brought up in the news. It was on the VIP servers before it was ever in the AIDDELUXE download section(which everyone has access to). There was a bittorent link but it was never announced in the news like noted above.
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 1887 Location: Orlando/West Palm Beach, FL USA
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject:
A.) it is coming from this site
B.) nknave and DJB both worked on it, making it a SID, not nknave's installer, that is a seperate installer, by nknave.
C.) nknave is a relatively new member and has had admin abilities for a limited time. So he might not YOUR protocol for releasing it to the world.
D.) Aideluxe.com is owned by DJB, so he is the only admin there, he won't post anything about it till its released with AID3, he may post a download link for it on his site, but he doesn't have to mention it.
E.) Its release was not official yet, and HAS NOT, NOT NOT NOT NOT been official released. Let me repeat. SID4/AID3 have NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY RELEASED. nknave was doing a good deed for our VIP members, which you are and have all rights to download. If you share it with others, let the dice fall how they may.
F.) It has not been officially released to the general scene.
G.) You will take the story I give you, b/c you seem to still be replying, and I am the only one at this point talking to you still. I think ol'sharky gave up.
H.) Since you paid for it, take advantage of all the sites services to see where you 10 dollars (god, thats a lot of money, hobbs, should go to mexico on that hoard of cash) and make use of it. you have been a member for only a few days. Try VIP support if you need it, and other VIP sections as well. They are here for you to use and peruse at your leisure, should u need something in a hurry and don't have the xbins auto tool or irc/ftp downloaded (for the sake of conversation, we will say you are at your cousins house who uses the internet occasionally to check mail.) Why go through hassle of downloading everything again, just get it from here.
I am not saying this site is the only way to go..but just a smoother path on the dirt road of modding. _________________ XBOX v1.6
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Takenover83 Xbox-HQ Member Xbox Version: 1.6 Modded: The latest from xbox-hq
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 57
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject:
Ok, never new it wasnt officially released, it does not carry a beta tag. If it was created by someone else, then maybe it need's a different name to avoid confusion. I assumed SID1, 2 ,3,4 were all created by the same person.
Any who, you seem like a nice enough person, maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something... Forgive my ignorance on many of the things that happen behind the scene that I have no knowledge of.
Let's stop the childness bickering
I do think things could be a bit different but they seem to running fine the way they are, so I am going to stop with the complaining and be happy with what you guys have done so far.
Shark2th Moderator
Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Posts: 5222 Location: Tennessee, USA
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:
Takenover83 wrote:
I do think things could be a bit different but they seem to running fine the way they are, so I am going to stop with the complaining and be happy with what you guys have done so far.
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 1887 Location: Orlando/West Palm Beach, FL USA
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:
No sweat bro,
I don't like being a d1ck, but when it sounds like one of them are under attack then I just get overly defensive.
DJB is creator of Sid 4, nknave went back and created the virtual c drive and eeprom as well as many other softmod goodies I don't care about ..(lol, I am hard mod guy )
I welcome you to enjoy the site and become an active part of the forums to see what its like here.
Its an enjoyable atmosphere that I visit daily.
And you will hear about the Aid3/Sid4 release, i am sure DJB will chime into this thread, however, he is a.) in australia so there is a time difference, b.) he works also, so it makes it hard for him be on all the time. He would have already applied to the thread once he heard about the latest guy on ebay. _________________ XBOX v1.6
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impwiz V.I.P. Lifetime Xbox Version: all Modded: everything
Joined: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 1070 Location: Detroit
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject:
shortacid wrote:
I am not saying this site is the only way to go..but just a smoother path on the dirt road of modding.
Case in point, looks like the feud is over anyways... Bottom line is this:
Great site and great people, rather pay $50 then frequent the "scene" _________________
enigma516 V.I.P. Lifetime
Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Posts: 2743 Location: Florida
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject:
I can't leave you kids alone for one minute. I take one day to spend with my family and look what happens. Shortacid, go to your room. Shark2th go where ever it it that you go when you're in trouble and finally Takenover83, don't bite off more than you can chew.. _________________
nknave Xbox-HQ Freak
Joined: Jul 13, 2005 Posts: 866 Location: Kansas City MO
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject:
SID 4 has a name on it's own.
SID 4 Nknave Edition, this means that it was made by me, and not by just DJB, me and DJB are working together with it, and the real official SID 4 that will come out to the rest of the scene will be
SID 4.1 which is hotfixed and will work no matter what, sacrificing the virtual eeprom patch, wich will now be a manual fix for those that want it.
1.- Xbox-hq is here to help mostly, the V.I.P. Membership, is a way to donate to the site costs, having a site does cost money, we do not charge for our files, we do not charge for SID, AID, or any of that 90% work of others.
What V.I.P. is mainly about is simpler access to those files you have to hunt for, and not that many ppl like the fact that xbins doesn't let you download more than 80 megs or 30 files a day.
SID 4 is not really a beta, but it's like a prerelease of what it's going to be, we had many issues with PAL xboxes regarding the patch of the eeprom, I made my full research on it, and the problem is that all xbox default hardware is NTSC, so when a eeprom is patched, it looses it's true hash value to run in the machine, so the problem comes to the xbox hardware will use default values if the eeprom is missing it: NTSC Regoin 1 xbe.
That is the reason why you get Black and White or crappy video on PAL xboxes, and this is an issue with pal xboxes only.
I made a tutorial on fixing this manually, but read over in the Softmod Installer Deluxe Forums......
Back on topic.... Oh wait, I said what I had to say, welcome to HQ btw, and don't let ppl from other places tell you what to do, most ppl in xbox-scene critisize HQ, even banned the name, but that's all in the past, HQ is brand new, and we are OK with Microsoft. _________________ Xbox v1.1
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Joined: May 23, 2003 Posts: 4031 Location: NSW, Australia
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:
OK, after reading this post for about half an hour I suppose I should put my two cents worth in...
1) Firstly, Xbox-Hq is a Hobbyist site, not a BUSINESS like Xbox-Scene which gets thousands of dollars from Advertisers. Myself nor Forahobby are well-off and wealthy (and the work that was spoken of before for me is only voluntary at the moment which means I dont get paid) and if we didn't get VIP Donations for membership, Xbox-Hq just wouldn't exsist. No host in their right mind would host Xbox-Hq and it's Network (360, AID) for FREE. VIPs dont pay for downloads, they pay for VIP membership which has more than just downloads. Our FTP Servers are not run by us, but by fellow members who just want to help out. They don't get paid by us in any way either as such, they might get a small christmas present or something like that, but they dont get properly paid.
2) Xbox-Scene has it's good and bad points, but from my personal experience with some of the admins / mods there it's more bad than good, and memories from my n00b times wasn't great there either. However, I have dealt with Xantium in submitting news for XS and files for Xbins, so it's not like I do not put my releases on there too (or atleast a torrent link if the download is a big size).
3) Yes our tutorials section needs a good clean-up, it's been spoken about between me and Forahobby for a while. Now that he has started cleaning up other sections I'm assuming that the new Tutorials section won't be too far down the track, but I think the main concern at the moment is to get the Xbox-Hq and 360 layouts looking the same. And yes, I will admit, I do go to the XS tutorials/forums every now and then for info, but it's mainly to do with research for softmodding (reading old forums posts etc).
4) The Xbox Scene / Xbox-Hq Feud has been going for a while now, and has never really been dealt with properly. Even though the head admins of both sites (Myself and Xantium) have no issues with each other, it's more of a clash between communities. They ban us from linking to anything on our site, so how are we supposed to take that? They claim ist's because we have direct downloads to XDK built programs (Xbox apps in other words), but so do plenty of other sites which they allow links to. It's very biased in that sense if you ask me.
5) SID 4 "was" going to originally written by myself, but since Nknave had already had experience with the newer exploits I decided to bring him aboard for it, which has been the best move I've ever made, he's a dead-set genious (and a very worthy competitor). The final version of SID 4 is going to be relased with AID 3 hopefully next month, all I'm basically waiting on is a specific update from XBMC, and when that's done I'll be getting it ready for release. Also, funny enough, when we initially put it out I did contact Xbox-Scene with the news AND a direct download link to it (just in case they wanted to store on xbins). NOTHING!! So it's not our fault they didn't say nothing about it.
Takenover83, hopefully this has educated you a little to what's going on. I see a lot of ppl who made similar statements to what you did earlier regarding the money side of this side, but honestly, if we were making so much money from it, me and Forahobby would be a hell of a lot better off than what we are now (hows that brand new EVO 9 going you bought the other day hobbs hehe jk).
Anyways I hope you enjoy the site and realise that your $10 donation is far from a waste, and far from just a payment for downlaods.
nknave Xbox-HQ Freak
Joined: Jul 13, 2005 Posts: 866 Location: Kansas City MO
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:35 am Post subject:
I think i've said this before but i'll say it here.
If you want to become a developer of anything Including softmods, discs, emulators or anything with xbox mods, I suggest you got to xbox-scene, cause all the info is there, since they are more based on the dev rather than helping ppl, why you think you get flamed when you ask for help on easy stuff?, But you do get help if your a more advanced user, you'll get proper dev help.
Here we talk about almost everything, but mostly about things that don't relate dev, we could make special forums to have development discussions about nkpatcher versions, scripting, compilation, but that's something that we gotta talk about, since most ppl here are to get their xbox softmodded and help on archiving that, not making their own installlers.
Once again, most of what i know about Dev, is due to xbox-scene. _________________ Xbox v1.1
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