I only took apart the faceplate, not power supply or motherboard. I did unplug all cables from the mobo, remove the mobo, fan and power supply from the console along with all 4 controller ports.
I put the new ghost faceplate and cover on my xbox and tried to turn it on.
I have the av cables plugged into my tv and xbox along with the power cord.
When I turn on the console with the power button here's what happens (ghost case cover on or no cover at all:
1.) Green front panel LEDs turn on . Xbox shuts down. This repeats twice more. Also hear clicking sounds coming from dvd drive.
2.) The forth time it turns on and stay powered. Console LEDs flash red & green as though the AV cables were unplugged. However console is actually plugged into the tv, but the screen stays black.
3.) When I try to open dvd drive with the eject button the console makes the same noise one uses to reset the xbox. Sometimes it opens, but usually not.
It is possible that when I was reassembling my console, a circuit component may have been bent/broken. I am usually quite careful with the console, but I from what I've read, FRAG is usually a hardware issue, either HDD, DVD drive or mobo.
What should I do? Would photos help?
Thanks all
SPPV V.I.P. Lifetime
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:14 am Post subject:
Shielding, I bet a $1 on it lol. You cant pop a 1.6 into the case of another version XBOX, fries 99% of the time. And I would hazard the Ghostcase doesnt have 1.6 compliant shielding. If it wont boot in your original case either than in the words of a wise man "You be fucked"
halofan102 Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:53 am Post subject:
Hold on, I put the rubber padding below the power supply inside the case. Obviously the top of the case doesn't have the metal EM shielding.
Are you saying I created a short circuit inside my console when it was powered on and destroyed it permanently?
Can I still use the HDD and disk drive to use in another one of my consoles (ovbiously using a different EEPROM with autobuilder)?
Or did I destroy any electrical device/component in my xbox?
Can you link to any other sites that discuss this issue? (basic google searches turned up nothing of relevance)
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:28 am Post subject:
The issue is that the metal shielding will contact points on the board which does fry it in most cases. Only way to confirm 100% if its fried is like I said pop it back in the original and see if it boots. You can check the HDD simply by hooking it to your PC and booting.If device manager sees it and/or you get a message like Winblows is Lame and needs to format this disc your good. The DVD can only be tested in another XBOX
As for links Id use Google too to track down discussion on the subject. But the 1.6 shielding issue is confirmed im sure if you have a week of your life you wanna waste you could search the forums here, XS and Afterdawn and see some posts on the subject
halofan102 Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject:
Well I check most of the titles of threads in case modding forums on here, but didn't see anything that appeared to be related.
Ok so I put the metal shielding back on my OEM black cover and put it on my xbox. I still left the clear faceplate on it. It still has the same issues that I described before.
Ok so here's the thing sometimes the dvd drive can be a pain to fit back into the console. When I had just the OEM faceplate sometimes there would be too much clearance and I'd have to repeat dropping it in until it fit. With the clear faceplate, I couldn't get it right. So I simply pushed the ghost cover on top of the console until it fit, screwed the torx 20s back in.
Also when I tried turning on the console, it was sitting on a wire metal shelf, which I always play my xboxs with OEM cases on.
Here are my questions:
1.)Should I remove the ghost faceplate, replace with OEM black faceplate and see what happens by powering it on?
2.)Am a I victim of what is called "FRAG?"
3.) Did the dvd drive not fitting perfectly into the console after removing an putting the mobo back in cause my problems in the first place?
4.) Did the wire metal shelf plus ghostcase cause my problems?
5.) Is there anyone on 360-HQ who used to be on here a lot you recommend talking to? If my xbox mobo if f*cked I can deal with that. But if I can save it somehow I'd like to try.
sorry for the long post, I am just really bummed out and wanna know exactly what happened so I don't ever make the same mistake again...
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:17 pm Post subject:
Face plate and DVD wont cause the issue. As for 360 thats a no lol. Id be amazed if anybody there just didnt tell you to talk to me on it. If you popped it in the orig case and bupkis then that bitch be fried. Sorry man it sucks, I know hapened to me switching a 1.6c into a Crystal case. But not to say I told you so, but this is ut one of the may reasons why I said treat these knock off caes ike syphylis
halofan102 Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject:
I can accept the loss of my mobo and scrap it for parts perhaps.
I know you're not an electronics person, but can you please describe what the heck happened in more detail? Did part of the ghostcase made contact with the mobo? Was there a short circuit?
The whole reason I decided to learn about xbox modding was to better understand computers by reverse engineering of my xbox and electronics in general.
I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on my mistake.
Thanks
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject:
^^ yes! it's likely you've shorted/BRIDGED a component...arced some static from the parts when powered up!
as it's computer related electronics, all it takes is that one piece to go and you're f*cked!
what i would do right now is look at the shielding that you used, you may see a very small black scorchmark on it where the motherboard had contacted it, look for any differences in that shield vs the original one!...
get a powerful magnifying glass and a mag-light and do a manual fly by with eye...
a circuit tester/multimeter should help?!
go wild on the pathways but good luck with that, heavy searching indeed! (and if you're able to identify what shorted, maybe you can repair/replace the part/component?)
...
learn from this mistake, DON'T use anything shy of an XCM housing in future!
sorry to hear you f*cked an xbox! _________________ to all my friends... farewell and all the best to future prosperity... and remember, be excellent to each other!
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject:
Yeah in a nutshell shielding contacts the board causing it to fry. HDD, PSU, DVD should still be viable, just the mobo should have taken it for the team.
As for learning hardware Wes and User1 are the guys, but sadly they dont come round anymore. Wes pops in sporadicaly but I havent seen User1 in like a year-18 months. My main area of speciality is mods, software and HDDs but I do know a fair bit about hardware, just Im no pro and would never try to pass myself as such. So learning hardwre stuff for the most part I cant help you with
halofan102 Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:39 pm Post subject:
@Amiga
I found some black soot-like material running down the edge of a peg in the ghostcase cover where one of the torx 20 screws fit in. It's the corner peg right next to the ethernet port corner.
I have a picture of it attacked. I could only show a top view of it because when I tried to take a side pic, the clear case distorted the light coming from the camera.
None of the the other pegs have this black soot material. I didn't bother to take any prictures of them. I tried looking around the holes in the mobo, but didn't really seem to find any black soot. Took a pic of the offending torx 20 hold in the mobo at the ethernet port corner of the console and another one I didn't suspect had the contact.
Would this tutorial from XS be worth trying to fix my console?
It might be for an older revision of the mobo and not possible for my v1.6 xbox.
photo 2.JPG
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Soot on ethernet port corner torx 20 screw tube.
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Hole in mobo for offending tube. Nothing seems to be on there...
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Hole in mobo of what I think is an unaffected region for comparison
Filesize:
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Amiga1200 V.I.P. Lifetime
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:37 am Post subject:
^^ it's hard to make out the damage from the pictures linked...
as for the tutorial, who knows? my expertise ended at finding a possible fault on the motherboard!
i know the rj45 socket carries 3 or 5v and if that's shorted, you are f*cked as it's a logic gateway for data, the surge/spike will likely have fried neurons in some chips!
now against my better judgement (and don't hold yer breath coz they're hard to get hold of) contact "Shambles1980" or "jinn" at .....(i can't do this...CUT!) tiz..
this is their area and if anybody can help, they can...IF they return call/have the time?
good luck on a possible fix! _________________ to all my friends... farewell and all the best to future prosperity... and remember, be excellent to each other!
halofan102 Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:53 am Post subject:
I can send some better pictures later today Amiga. What I would like to know is why the torx 20 tube at the ethernet corner part of the console fried. I mean I did unscrew the torx 10s from the mobo and remove it from my xbox.
Then I put it back in and screwed in all the torx 10s to the mobo.
So just to really make sure, this frying of my xbox was NOT caused by removing the mobo and putting it back in?
Here's what I am tying to understand. The OEM cover has metal EM shielding. The ghostcase does not (obviously). Sp how the hell could some clear plastic cause some kind of short in the mobo circuitry? I mean it's plastic for god's sake, plastics are usually insulators.
I could check in at newbies forums at XS with my other handle on there and ask too, if these questions are starting to get yours and SPPV's expertise.
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:08 am Post subject:
^^ i can't see just removing/replacing the MB doing anything in itself, maybe you warped something?
perhaps the torx screw got offset/lopsided (tilted off axis) and compressed a part?
.....
i do agree on one thing, it's WAY out my league now!
if you can get really clear images, or at least really close up, bang a thread out at extras as well, somebody may help?
(the more overage the better, link this thread also)
sorry dude, i'm felling like a retard on this one, i'm no electrical expert, just i understand the basics.... (so any more from me on this would be a farce, i know not what i'm doing beyond the initial)
all the best though... _________________ to all my friends... farewell and all the best to future prosperity... and remember, be excellent to each other!
halofan102 Moderator
Joined: Jan 17, 2013 Posts: 451 Location: Murica
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:19 am Post subject:
SPPV wrote:
Shielding, I bet a $1 on it lol. You cant pop a 1.6 into the case of another version XBOX, fries 99% of the time. And I would hazard the Ghostcase doesnt have 1.6 compliant shielding. If it wont boot in your original case either than in the words of a wise man "You be fucked"
Hey SPPV, thought I'd update you on the broken xbox. I asked a technician to look at my mobo. He's got more than 5 years diagnosing broken circuit boards.
He found my problem after 5 min. He DID NOT find any arced black spots or smell anything burnt.
What he found were two circuit components on the mobo were broken off.
I had trouble getting the dvd drive to fit in all the way with the clear case and probably squished them. I will send pics soon to show which are missing.
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